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Better than Diver Down and 1984
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CG
2012-02-09 00:30:23 UTC
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Are we all in agreement? ADKOT is the 5th best album in the entire VH
catalog.
s***@yahoo.com
2012-02-09 01:07:29 UTC
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Are we all in agreement?  ADKOT is the 5th best album in the entire VH
catalog.
Better than Diver Down? Obviously
Better than 1984. No f'n way.
IGB
2012-02-09 05:56:54 UTC
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Post by CG
Are we all in agreement? ADKOT is the 5th best album in the entire VH
catalog.
After listening today, I'd rank it higher than VH2 (more mature) and
Diver Down (lot longer). Mainly because those albums didn't have a
standout song like Unchained or RWTD or EWS. 1984 and WACF is
appearing in it's sights. I don't think it could ever go past VH1 or
especially FW.

I think this album does lack some of the melodies and hooks of past
classic VH albums. At points it's hard to believe it's Eddie, almost
sounds like a hired gun on one of Roth's solo albums. It's almost like
he has a new harder style with less harmonics and touch. However,
every song does have some brilliance in it which makes it VH. I also
think DLR adds some melodies which Hagar could never have done. Hagar
adds nothing, he is just a vanilla screecher that can hit a note.

The best thing about this album it grows on you. I think it will stand
the test of time and will take awhile to be fully appreciated. Blows
Chickenfoot out of the water.

It also seems Eddie has found his phaser again. Some real cool effects
in there at times from 1978. I think he may be using his pedals more
to push their sales, but it works!
CG
2012-02-09 12:48:13 UTC
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I just need to clarify that Diver Down is a great album; Little
Guitars, Secrets and the Full Bug are gems. For ADKOT to be above
Diver Down is no small feat, for Diver Down is better than, I'd say,
85% of most music (let's face it, there exists more bad music than
good).

I'm loving this record. Unlike the early collections, this one clocks
in at almost an hour, making it like two Roth era records rolled into
one. It definitely makes up for lost time. I'm really digging She's
the Woman, Big River, You and Your Blues, China Town, As Is, and
Honeybabysweetiedoll. What Dave lacks in vocal prowess, he makes up
for in showmanship and lyrical wit.

Hagar's problem was (and still is) that he's so uncreative. His
melodies and lyrics are bland; he's clearly not as intelligent as
Dave, and it shows in the music. He might have been thinking that
because he can sing really high, nobody would notice; he figured that
people would just focus on the fact that he could sing higher notes
than Dave, and not notice that the songs themselves are, as you say,
vanilla. (This is probably why he insisted that Eddie play the
classic material (Panama, Jump, ATBL, etc.) in a higher key, which, as
we know, made the songs sound worse.) To a lesser extent, Gary
Cherone had the same issue.
IGB
2012-02-13 08:43:39 UTC
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Post by CG
I just need to clarify that Diver Down is a great album; Little
Guitars, Secrets and the Full Bug are gems. For ADKOT to be above
Diver Down is no small feat, for Diver Down is better than, I'd say,
85% of most music (let's face it, there exists more bad music than
good).
I agree. All VH albums are great, it's just if you had to choose. I
think I'd choose the almost twice as long ADKOT over DD.
Post by CG
I'm loving this record. Unlike the early collections, this one clocks
in at almost an hour, making it like two Roth era records rolled into
one. It definitely makes up for lost time. I'm really digging She's
the Woman, Big River, You and Your Blues, China Town, As Is, and
Honeybabysweetiedoll. What Dave lacks in vocal prowess, he makes up
for in showmanship and lyrical wit.
Right now, my standout is Outta Space.
Post by CG
Hagar's problem was (and still is) that he's so uncreative. His
melodies and lyrics are bland; he's clearly not as intelligent as
Dave, and it shows in the music. He might have been thinking that
because he can sing really high, nobody would notice; he figured that
people would just focus on the fact that he could sing higher notes
than Dave, and not notice that the songs themselves are, as you say,
vanilla. (This is probably why he insisted that Eddie play the
classic material (Panama, Jump, ATBL, etc.) in a higher key, which, as
we know, made the songs sound worse.) To a lesser extent, Gary
Cherone had the same issue.
Sammy has a very simple message based in a propaganda principle: If
you repeat a lie often enough, it will become the truth.

In almost every interview, he claims to have sold 65 million records
and was in the biggest rock band which sold out every venue they
played.

Idiot interviewers like Adam Carrolla etc believe him and contribute
to his false legacy. When you're truly great, you don't have to
constantly tell the public what you have accomplished.

He also claims he was equal to Van Halen when he joined:

"They had platinum, I had platinum records. We were equal..."

He had 3 gold records and VH had 6 *multi*platinum records. What a
fool... and if he was "equal" why isn't he grossing 100 million per
tour with the Wabos???

Sammy Bashing - the great Van Halen fan pastime
s***@hotmail.com
2012-02-13 11:34:56 UTC
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i love sammy but he is a bullshitting fool when he claims he was as
big as VH. he'd released 2 montrose albums, the first was very good
but diddn't sell. the second was poor and didn't sell. then he made
loads of not very good solo albums that didn't sell. he then managed
one good album, VOA, which went double platinum. he was never in the
same league as the guys in VH, never. i've also heard him claim to be
in the same league as massive selling and hugely acclaimed band Pink
Floyd. Obviously not.
as for the new album, i've bought the deluxe version with the DVD.
those original songs play great as acoustic versions. the band could
do an unplugged album easily and it would sell. it's great that
they're back but they can't quite manage the hooklines of their
younger age, but then no band can. lots of energy, lots of noise, but
not quite the necessary melody. let's hope they crank them out from
here on in.
IGB
2012-02-13 21:07:09 UTC
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Post by s***@hotmail.com
i love sammy but he is a bullshitting fool when he claims he was as
big as VH. he'd released 2 montrose albums, the first was very good
but diddn't sell. the second was poor and didn't sell. then he made
loads of not very good solo albums that didn't sell. he then managed
one good album, VOA, which went double platinum. he was never in the
same league as the guys in VH, never. i've also heard him claim to be
in the same league as massive selling and hugely acclaimed band Pink
Floyd. Obviously not.
as for the new album, i've bought the deluxe version with the DVD.
those original songs play great as acoustic versions. the band could
do an unplugged album easily and it would sell. it's great that
they're back but they can't quite manage the hooklines of their
younger age, but then no band can. lots of energy, lots of noise, but
not quite the necessary melody. let's hope they crank them out from
here on in.
Much of what you say is true, but Sammy never had a multi-Platinum
solo record.
s***@hotmail.com
2012-02-22 16:01:17 UTC
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On Feb 13, 9:07 pm
Post by IGB
Much of what you say is true, but Sammy never had a multi-Platinum
solo record.-
- err, so what where the sales for VOA then. easily as good musically as eddie van halen's 5150.
IGB
2012-02-22 22:50:28 UTC
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Post by s***@hotmail.com
On Feb 13, 9:07 pm
Post by IGB
Much of what you say is true, but Sammy never had a multi-Platinum
solo record.-
- err, so what where the sales for VOA then. easily as good musically as eddie van halen's 5150.
VOA went Platinum after Hagar joined VH.

Hagar never had a multi-Platinum.

Standing Hampton also went Platinum 10 years after it was released and
again, while Hagar was in VH.

Hagar never had an album go Platinum before or after he was in VH.


"I had Platinum... they had Platinum... I was equal to VH when I
joined the band." - Sammy Hagar

VH already had 6 multi-Platinum albums when Hagar joined and he had
only 3 Gold (one with Montrose).
CG
2012-02-13 13:04:52 UTC
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Post by IGB
Sammy has a very simple message based in a propaganda principle: If
you repeat a lie often enough, it will become the truth.
In almost every interview, he claims to have sold 65 million records
and was in the biggest rock band which sold out every venue they
played.
Idiot interviewers like Adam Carrolla etc believe him and contribute
to his false legacy. When you're truly great, you don't have to
constantly tell the public what you have accomplished.
"They had platinum, I had platinum records. We were equal..."
He had 3 gold records and VH had 6 *multi*platinum records. What a
fool... and if he was "equal" why isn't he grossing 100 million per
tour with the Wabos???
Sammy Bashing - the great Van Halen fan pastime
Out of curiosity, have you read Sammy's book? How many years do you
think it would take to count the number of lies that it no doubt
contains?
IGB
2012-02-13 21:13:23 UTC
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Post by CG
Post by IGB
Sammy has a very simple message based in a propaganda principle: If
you repeat a lie often enough, it will become the truth.
In almost every interview, he claims to have sold 65 million records
and was in the biggest rock band which sold out every venue they
played.
Idiot interviewers like Adam Carrolla etc believe him and contribute
to his false legacy. When you're truly great, you don't have to
constantly tell the public what you have accomplished.
"They had platinum, I had platinum records. We were equal..."
He had 3 gold records and VH had 6 *multi*platinum records. What a
fool... and if he was "equal" why isn't he grossing 100 million per
tour with the Wabos???
Sammy Bashing - the great Van Halen fan pastime
Out of curiosity, have you read Sammy's book? How many years do you
think it would take to count the number of lies that it no doubt
contains?
I've just read the reviews - all of which focused on his trashing of
EVH. Someday I might read it for fun. It should have been categorized
as fiction.

Ironic quote from Spammy:

"I feel bad for Roth, 'cause I don't think he has a career anymore.
Unfortunately, he never crossed over as an artist, he was always a
showman. Now, he has to be a clown his whole life or be a gossip
monster, that's why he's writing that book: to sell dirt. I actually
feel more sorry for Eddie and Alex, 'cause they're pitiful right now."
- Sammy Hagar


Poor Spammy. No more career. He has to write gossip books for people
to notice him. Even he admits it...
s***@hotmail.com
2012-02-22 15:59:53 UTC
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On Feb 13,
Out of curiosity, have you read Sammy's book?  How many years do you
think it would take to count the number of lies that it no doubt
contains?- Hide quoted text -
- how many years do i think it would take me to read all of sammy's lies. since i can actually read, and it is only a book -nothing forn any one of even average intelligence to be too troubled by, i'd say i could read all of his lies inside a couple of days. it might take you a number of years but thats because your crayons keep breaking!!!!
IGB
2012-02-29 21:44:39 UTC
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Post by CG
Post by IGB
Sammy has a very simple message based in a propaganda principle: If
you repeat a lie often enough, it will become the truth.
In almost every interview, he claims to have sold 65 million records
and was in the biggest rock band which sold out every venue they
played.
Idiot interviewers like Adam Carrolla etc believe him and contribute
to his false legacy. When you're truly great, you don't have to
constantly tell the public what you have accomplished.
"They had platinum, I had platinum records. We were equal..."
He had 3 gold records and VH had 6 *multi*platinum records. What a
fool... and if he was "equal" why isn't he grossing 100 million per
tour with the Wabos???
Sammy Bashing - the great Van Halen fan pastime
Out of curiosity, have you read Sammy's book? How many years do you
think it would take to count the number of lies that it no doubt
contains?
Out of curiosity, I did a binsearch of newsgroup and downloaded a copy
of Sammy's book. Have you read it? I just finished reading the
foreward by Mike Anthony.

What a total stooge. This guy has sold his soul to Hagar. Like Hagar
is his idol. Some quotes by Mike Anthony:


--------

Before Sammy showed up, we were all pretty devastated. It looked like
the band had possibly come to the end after Roth left. When we’d first
signed with Warner Bros., friends in the business told us that five
years was a good life span for a rock group. We figured we may have
had our run. The label wasn’t very enthusiastic, either. They didn’t
even want us to continue to call the band Van Halen. Eddie and Al
didn’t know what to do. They tossed around names of singers and we did
have a couple of unknown guys come in and sing with us because we
thought that bringing in somebody already known would change the
dynamic of the band. That didn’t work, and nobody knew what to do
until Claudio Zampoli, Eddie’s car mechanic, suggested that he call
Sammy.

All of a sudden we’re taking it to a new level. Not only do we have
this guy who can really sing, but now we’ve got another guitar player,
too. It was something new, something different, and Eddie was really
into it. Sammy was the key. He was the guy who took us to a new,
higher plateau with Van Halen.

With Sammy, we had real melody. He was just a great all-around
musician. Eddie could say, “Hey, Sam, I got this idea,” and Sammy
could pick up a guitar and go, “Yes, but what about this?” That was
all new with us. We started to become a much more musical band.
With Sammy in the band, Van Halen went through the roof. The band
scored a string of number one multiplatinum albums. We ruled the arena
rock world and played before capacity crowds night after night for
more than ten years. We were the world champion hard-rock band and
Sammy took us there.

He is the most upbeat, positive guy in the world. He loves life. He
only happens to be a singer and play music, too. And another
thing—he’s no bullshitter. If Sammy says it happened, it did. There’s
nobody else anywhere like him. I don’t know how to put it. Sam is one
crazy motherfucker. But I mean that in only the best possible way.


- Michael Anthony

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CG
2012-02-29 22:54:46 UTC
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Post by IGB
Post by CG
Post by IGB
Sammy has a very simple message based in a propaganda principle: If
you repeat a lie often enough, it will become the truth.
In almost every interview, he claims to have sold 65 million records
and was in the biggest rock band which sold out every venue they
played.
Idiot interviewers like Adam Carrolla etc believe him and contribute
to his false legacy. When you're truly great, you don't have to
constantly tell the public what you have accomplished.
"They had platinum, I had platinum records. We were equal..."
He had 3 gold records and VH had 6 *multi*platinum records. What a
fool... and if he was "equal" why isn't he grossing 100 million per
tour with the Wabos???
Sammy Bashing - the great Van Halen fan pastime
Out of curiosity, have you read Sammy's book? How many years do you
think it would take to count the number of lies that it no doubt
contains?
Out of curiosity, I did a binsearch of newsgroup and downloaded a copy
of Sammy's book.
How do you do that?
xxx
2012-03-01 05:04:37 UTC
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first off, i think the knock that dave can't couldn't sing was/is
bogus. he could sing fine (at least back on the original VH albums). i
think he may have had issues later on in his career, like most rock
singers after their mid-40s. surprisingly, i think dave is singing
really well again, this late in his career. i seriously wonder if he
went to a vocal coach or what, as most guys his age don't start
sounding really good again out of the blue.

that said, i do think sam has a little more range. and i do think he
definitely helped keep the band afloat really well. i definitely think
the roth era was stronger (hard to deny that) but they did pretty well
for themselves, all things considered, with sam. how many bands have
lasting success with 2 singers? not a whole lot. some people might
like one era over the other but they both had success.

and it's not surprising that mike speaks glowingly of his buddy, sam.
they're tight. sam was probably much more in mike's corner than dave
was, so i wouldn't expect mike to say anything than he otherwise said
in the forward.
IGB
2012-03-01 20:45:18 UTC
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Post by xxx
first off, i think the knock that dave can't couldn't sing was/is
bogus. he could sing fine (at least back on the original VH albums). i
think he may have had issues later on in his career, like most rock
singers after their mid-40s. surprisingly, i think dave is singing
really well again, this late in his career. i seriously wonder if he
went to a vocal coach or what, as most guys his age don't start
sounding really good again out of the blue.
that said, i do think sam has a little more range. and i do think he
definitely helped keep the band afloat really well. i definitely think
the roth era was stronger (hard to deny that) but they did pretty well
for themselves, all things considered, with sam. how many bands have
lasting success with 2 singers? not a whole lot. some people might
like one era over the other but they both had success.
and it's not surprising that mike speaks glowingly of his buddy, sam.
they're tight. sam was probably much more in mike's corner than dave
was, so i wouldn't expect mike to say anything than he otherwise said
in the forward.
Yes, they did well with Sam, but to say Sammy took them to a higher
plateau and Sammy was the key, when they really didn't and without
giving the real credit to Eddie is ridiculous. Maybe payback for when
Ed said that Mike added nothing to the band.

...and the line about Sammy not being a bullshitter? Priceless.


It's also interesting that Mike says in the Foreword that Eddie *did*
call him and was against him touring with Sammy. A little different
story than what we've heard before:

-------------

When Sammy went out on the road with Roth, they thought it was a
carnival. Eddie made it clear that he didn't want me to go out with
them. I had jammed on some shows before with Sammy and he wasn't
pleased about that. But I was just the bass player. My last name’s not
Van Halen. I didn’t feel I was doing anything wrong. I thought I was
flying the Van Halen flag. Ed called me when he heard I might appear
as a guest on some of the shows. I wasn’t going to do the full tour,
but Sammy asked me if I’d come out and play a few dates. I was totally
into it. I remember Ed saying, “You’re not going to be part of that
circus, are you?”

When the idea of a Van Halen reunion tour came up, I wasn’t in any of
those discussions, either. I do know that Eddie didn’t want me to be a
part of it. I was the traitor because I went over to Sam’s camp. He
couldn’t understand why I couldn’t sit home and do nothing until he
decided that we were going to do something.

He wanted to put me on salary, and eventually Sammy, Alex, and even
our manager gave up some of their percentage to get me something like
13 percent. It wasn’t like I needed the money. The only reason I did
that tour was because Sammy was doing it. To do that tour, I signed
away pretty much any future rights I might have had to anything Van
Halen. If Sammy wasn’t there, I wouldn’t have even considered it
because, by then, I felt like an outsider to the brothers. Somehow I
played the shows.

Some nights Eddie would hug me and go, “Mike’s back. You’re playing so
good, man.” Other nights onstage, he’d look at me like he was looking
right through me, like I wasn’t even there. I spent a lot of time
keeping my eyes on Alex during those shows, just trying to keep it
together. Eddie would say to me, “Look at me all the time.”

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CG
2012-03-01 22:25:14 UTC
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Post by xxx
first off, i think the knock that dave can't couldn't sing was/is
bogus. he could sing fine (at least back on the original VH albums). i
think he may have had issues later on in his career, like most rock
singers after their mid-40s. surprisingly, i think dave is singing
really well again, this late in his career. i seriously wonder if he
went to a vocal coach or what, as most guys his age don't start
sounding really good again out of the blue.
that said, i do think sam has a little more range. and i do think he
definitely helped keep the band afloat really well. i definitely think
the roth era was stronger (hard to deny that) but they did pretty well
for themselves, all things considered, with sam. how many bands have
lasting success with 2 singers? not a whole lot. some people might
like one era over the other but they both had success.
and it's not surprising that mike speaks glowingly of his buddy, sam.
they're tight. sam was probably much more in mike's corner than dave
was, so i wouldn't expect mike to say anything than he otherwise said
in the forward.
Yes, they did well with Sam, but to say Sammy took them to a higher
plateau and Sammy was the key, when they really didn't and without
giving the real credit to Eddie is ridiculous. Maybe payback for when
Ed said that Mike added nothing to the band.
...and the line about Sammy not being a bullshitter? Priceless.
It's also interesting that Mike says in the Foreword that Eddie *did*
call him and was against him touring with Sammy. A little different
It sounds like Ed felt betrayed when Anthony played with Hagar. I
think if it was anybody other than Sam, Ed would had been okay with
it. However, Ed felt that Sammy had wronged him; and by touring with
Sam, Michael was basically saying that he had no problem with the way
Hagar handled the situation in '96 when Van Hagar broke up. After the
smoke cleared from that horrible 2004 tour, Ed didn't feel that
Anthony was anything besides a nominal team member. Whatever
friendship they had, had ended.

At the same time, it would be nice if the guys could put their past
differences aside and do a full-scale reunion. Anthony should let go
of whatever bad feelings he harbors against Roth, and Ed should
forgive Anthony.
xxx
2012-03-02 02:43:10 UTC
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any logical person couldn't blame mike for wanting to go out and play
instead of hiding in a cave, like ed and al. the halens couldn't make
up their mind on a singer, couldn't put out an album for about a
decade and a half. eddie's fucking delusional. he's always pointing
fingers and blaming others when most of the bullshit was his undoing,
his alcohol and drug abuse. the halens found about each and every way
to fuck up their legacy and mike stood by them thruout. but yeah,
let's throw mike under the bus. eddie used to be a fun loving guy but
turned out to be the most vindictive prick of anyone. if your last
name isn't van halen, watch your fucking back because the knife is
coming sooner or later.
IGB
2012-03-03 02:30:58 UTC
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Post by CG
Post by IGB
Post by xxx
first off, i think the knock that dave can't couldn't sing was/is
bogus. he could sing fine (at least back on the original VH albums). i
think he may have had issues later on in his career, like most rock
singers after their mid-40s. surprisingly, i think dave is singing
really well again, this late in his career. i seriously wonder if he
went to a vocal coach or what, as most guys his age don't start
sounding really good again out of the blue.
that said, i do think sam has a little more range. and i do think he
definitely helped keep the band afloat really well. i definitely think
the roth era was stronger (hard to deny that) but they did pretty well
for themselves, all things considered, with sam. how many bands have
lasting success with 2 singers? not a whole lot. some people might
like one era over the other but they both had success.
and it's not surprising that mike speaks glowingly of his buddy, sam.
they're tight. sam was probably much more in mike's corner than dave
was, so i wouldn't expect mike to say anything than he otherwise said
in the forward.
Yes, they did well with Sam, but to say Sammy took them to a higher
plateau and Sammy was the key, when they really didn't and without
giving the real credit to Eddie is ridiculous. Maybe payback for when
Ed said that Mike added nothing to the band.
...and the line about Sammy not being a bullshitter? Priceless.
It's also interesting that Mike says in the Foreword that Eddie *did*
call him and was against him touring with Sammy. A little different
It sounds like Ed felt betrayed when Anthony played with Hagar. I
think if it was anybody other than Sam, Ed would had been okay with
it. However, Ed felt that Sammy had wronged him; and by touring with
Sam, Michael was basically saying that he had no problem with the way
Hagar handled the situation in '96 when Van Hagar broke up. After the
smoke cleared from that horrible 2004 tour, Ed didn't feel that
Anthony was anything besides a nominal team member. Whatever
friendship they had, had ended.
At the same time, it would be nice if the guys could put their past
differences aside and do a full-scale reunion. Anthony should let go
of whatever bad feelings he harbors against Roth, and Ed should
forgive Anthony.
If he knew Eddie didn't want him playing with Hagar, I think he should
have gotten permission first. It's like you say, he could have
probably played with anyone else if he wanted to stay busy.

...and as Eddie said, they were in the studio and Mike wasn't there,
so Wolfie filled in. Tough luck for Mike... You didn't see Roth
toruing alone after he re-joined VH. 5 years ago. Mike could have
taken up sheep herding.
xxx
2012-03-03 21:39:52 UTC
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all i can say is that dave better watch his back because the dagger is
coming sooner or later for anyone not named 'van halen'. history has
shown us this time and again.
CG
2012-03-04 03:29:53 UTC
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Post by xxx
all i can say is that dave better watch his back because the dagger is
coming sooner or later for anyone not named 'van halen'. history has
shown us this time and again.
I think that at this stage of the game, Eddie realizes that playing
with Roth is the only way Van Halen can be lucrative. Any other lead
singer would have no credibility, as evidenced by the Cherone era and
by Sammy's last run. If the current incarnation of VH falls through,
then VH is finished. Otherwise, they might have one last album and
tour left in them after this one.
IGB
2012-03-07 01:57:07 UTC
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Post by CG
Post by xxx
all i can say is that dave better watch his back because the dagger is
coming sooner or later for anyone not named 'van halen'. history has
shown us this time and again.
I think that at this stage of the game, Eddie realizes that playing
with Roth is the only way Van Halen can be lucrative. Any other lead
singer would have no credibility, as evidenced by the Cherone era and
by Sammy's last run. If the current incarnation of VH falls through,
then VH is finished. Otherwise, they might have one last album and
tour left in them after this one.
I agree. The band Van Halen just could not sustain another bad
breakup, especially if Eddie comes out as the bad guy. This is the
last version of VH.


OTOH, I can see and appreciate the comment "the dagger is coming
sooner or later for anyone not named 'van halen'." It could happen,
buit Eddie seems in a different place these days.

As far as Spammy goes, that guy needs a shot of reality. Nobody cares
or is demanding a Van hagar reunion. To quote the Spam man about Sammy
himself - "His brain is fucked up!"

IGB
2012-03-01 20:29:56 UTC
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Post by CG
Post by IGB
Out of curiosity, I did a binsearch of newsgroup and downloaded a copy
of Sammy's book.
How do you do that?
Download binaries from a newsgroup?

First you need a Usenet provider, as many ISPs have dropped newsgroup
support. Something like Giganews. I use Astraweb. Like $25 for about
75 gb of download for as long as it takes me to use.. Pretty cheap.


They will also provide retention of about 2-3 years for binaries.
Spam's book was posted over 200 days ago. I can still reply to posts
from 2004 during the Hagar reunion if I wanted to.

You can't use Google groups because it is only text.

I use http://www.binsearch.info/ to find files. Then import a nzb into
a newsgroup reader that supports binaries. I use forte agent. You can
download free agent at their site for free.

Google or Yahoo tutorials about binary downloads from Usenet to find
out more.
Clocky
2012-03-02 23:33:45 UTC
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Post by IGB
Post by CG
Post by IGB
Out of curiosity, I did a binsearch of newsgroup and downloaded a
copy of Sammy's book.
How do you do that?
Download binaries from a newsgroup?
First you need a Usenet provider, as many ISPs have dropped newsgroup
support. Something like Giganews. I use Astraweb. Like $25 for about
75 gb of download for as long as it takes me to use.. Pretty cheap.
They will also provide retention of about 2-3 years for binaries.
Spam's book was posted over 200 days ago. I can still reply to posts
from 2004 during the Hagar reunion if I wanted to.
You can't use Google groups because it is only text.
I use http://www.binsearch.info/ to find files. Then import a nzb into
a newsgroup reader that supports binaries. I use forte agent. You can
download free agent at their site for free.
Google or Yahoo tutorials about binary downloads from Usenet to find
out more.
If it's on Usenet, it's likely to be on a torrent site somewhere.
Much less fucking around searching for torrents and downloading them.
IGB
2012-03-03 02:24:15 UTC
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Post by Clocky
Post by IGB
Post by CG
Post by IGB
Out of curiosity, I did a binsearch of newsgroup and downloaded a
copy of Sammy's book.
How do you do that?
Download binaries from a newsgroup?
First you need a Usenet provider, as many ISPs have dropped newsgroup
support. Something like Giganews. I use Astraweb. Like $25 for about
75 gb of download for as long as it takes me to use.. Pretty cheap.
They will also provide retention of about 2-3 years for binaries.
Spam's book was posted over 200 days ago. I can still reply to posts
from 2004 during the Hagar reunion if I wanted to.
You can't use Google groups because it is only text.
I use http://www.binsearch.info/ to find files. Then import a nzb into
a newsgroup reader that supports binaries. I use forte agent. You can
download free agent at their site for free.
Google or Yahoo tutorials about binary downloads from Usenet to find
out more.
If it's on Usenet, it's likely to be on a torrent site somewhere.
Much less fucking around searching for torrents and downloading them.
For me, Usenet is much more attractive and quicker. It's always there
on the server, easy to find, no waiting and no opening your computer
to others. Torrents also mean you help distribute the file and it
lacks anonymity, no thanks.

To each his own...
Clocky
2012-03-05 07:24:17 UTC
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Post by IGB
Post by Clocky
Post by IGB
Post by CG
Post by IGB
Out of curiosity, I did a binsearch of newsgroup and downloaded a
copy of Sammy's book.
How do you do that?
Download binaries from a newsgroup?
First you need a Usenet provider, as many ISPs have dropped
newsgroup support. Something like Giganews. I use Astraweb. Like
$25 for about 75 gb of download for as long as it takes me to use..
Pretty cheap.
They will also provide retention of about 2-3 years for binaries.
Spam's book was posted over 200 days ago. I can still reply to posts
from 2004 during the Hagar reunion if I wanted to.
You can't use Google groups because it is only text.
I use http://www.binsearch.info/ to find files. Then import a nzb
into a newsgroup reader that supports binaries. I use forte agent.
You can download free agent at their site for free.
Google or Yahoo tutorials about binary downloads from Usenet to find
out more.
If it's on Usenet, it's likely to be on a torrent site somewhere.
Much less fucking around searching for torrents and downloading them.
For me, Usenet is much more attractive and quicker. It's always there
on the server, easy to find, no waiting and no opening your computer
to others. Torrents also mean you help distribute the file and it
lacks anonymity, no thanks.
To each his own...
Usenet was never intended for binary files and it's a kludge.

But as you say, to each their own...
xxx
2012-02-18 06:17:59 UTC
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"I think this album does lack some of the melodies and hooks of past
classic VH albums. At points it's hard to believe it's Eddie, almost
sounds like a hired gun on one of Roth's solo albums. It's almost like
he has a new harder style with less harmonics and touch. However,
every song does have some brilliance in it which makes it VH."


i agree. author chuck klosterman did a review for grantland.com and he said a lot of these songs sound like they could've been on various past roth solo albums and i agree- there's something a little "off" and/or missing...and it's mike's harmonies that prevent it from having that signature VH sound. a lot of the songs sound like an 'eat em and smile' quality roth solo album with eddie van halen on guitar.
IGB
2012-02-20 04:44:28 UTC
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Post by xxx
"I think this album does lack some of the melodies and hooks of past
classic VH albums. At points it's hard to believe it's Eddie, almost
sounds like a hired gun on one of Roth's solo albums. It's almost like
he has a new harder style with less harmonics and touch. However,
every song does have some brilliance in it which makes it VH."
i agree. author chuck klosterman did a review for grantland.com and he said a lot of these songs sound like they could've been on various past roth solo albums and i agree- there's something a little "off" and/or missing...and it's mike's harmonies that prevent it from having that signature VH sound. a lot of the songs sound like an 'eat em and smile' quality roth solo album with eddie van halen on guitar.
I think Ed's playing is reminiscent of songs on ALAE and the DLR Band.

I think it's a little different style than the first 6, but a good and
refreshing different. The heaviness of some of DLR's solo seemed to
have rubbed off on this album.

I think they should have recorded Slam Dunk and made it the single.
Much like Aerosmith did with Joe Perry's song - Let the music do the
talking.
Clocky
2012-02-20 11:36:34 UTC
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Post by IGB
Post by xxx
"I think this album does lack some of the melodies and hooks of past
classic VH albums. At points it's hard to believe it's Eddie, almost
sounds like a hired gun on one of Roth's solo albums. It's almost like
he has a new harder style with less harmonics and touch. However,
every song does have some brilliance in it which makes it VH."
i agree. author chuck klosterman did a review for grantland.com and
he said a lot of these songs sound like they could've been on
various past roth solo albums and i agree- there's something a
little "off" and/or missing...and it's mike's harmonies that prevent
it from having that signature VH sound. a lot of the songs sound
like an 'eat em and smile' quality roth solo album with eddie van
halen on guitar.
I think Ed's playing is reminiscent of songs on ALAE and the DLR Band.
I think it's a little different style than the first 6, but a good and
refreshing different. The heaviness of some of DLR's solo seemed to
have rubbed off on this album.
It sounds like classic VH to me, not like a DLR and band album at all.

One thing is for sure, it rocks and all the tracks are solid. Much better
then I anticipated, and musicianship for people their age is remarkable.

It's no surprise that the Hagar the horrible fans are upset and spiteful.
CG
2012-02-21 17:23:00 UTC
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Post by Clocky
Post by IGB
Post by xxx
"I think this album does lack some of the melodies and hooks of past
classic VH albums. At points it's hard to believe it's Eddie, almost
sounds like a hired gun on one of Roth's solo albums. It's almost like
he has a new harder style with less harmonics and touch. However,
every song does have some brilliance in it which makes it VH."
i agree. author chuck klosterman did a review for grantland.com and
he said a lot of these songs sound like they could've been on
various past roth solo albums and i agree- there's something a
little "off" and/or missing...and it's mike's harmonies that prevent
it from having that signature VH sound. a lot of the songs sound
like an 'eat em and smile' quality roth solo album with eddie van
halen on guitar.
I think Ed's playing is reminiscent of songs on ALAE and the DLR Band.
I think it's a little different style than the first 6, but a good and
refreshing different. The heaviness of some of DLR's solo seemed to
have rubbed off on this album.
It sounds like classic VH to me, not like a DLR and band album at all.
I agree. If Chinatown or As Is were originally on Fair Warning, they
would be considered classics.
Clocky
2012-02-21 22:14:13 UTC
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Post by CG
Post by Clocky
Post by IGB
Post by xxx
"I think this album does lack some of the melodies and hooks of
past classic VH albums. At points it's hard to believe it's Eddie,
almost sounds like a hired gun on one of Roth's solo albums. It's
almost like
he has a new harder style with less harmonics and touch. However,
every song does have some brilliance in it which makes it VH."
i agree. author chuck klosterman did a review for grantland.com and
he said a lot of these songs sound like they could've been on
various past roth solo albums and i agree- there's something a
little "off" and/or missing...and it's mike's harmonies that
prevent it from having that signature VH sound. a lot of the songs
sound like an 'eat em and smile' quality roth solo album with
eddie van halen on guitar.
I think Ed's playing is reminiscent of songs on ALAE and the DLR Band.
I think it's a little different style than the first 6, but a good
and refreshing different. The heaviness of some of DLR's solo
seemed to have rubbed off on this album.
It sounds like classic VH to me, not like a DLR and band album at all.
I agree. If Chinatown or As Is were originally on Fair Warning, they
would be considered classics.
I agree.
xxx
2012-02-22 01:36:33 UTC
Permalink
i've warmed up more to "chinatown" but it's in my bottom 3 on the
album. the first several times i heard it, i wasn't digging it too
much.
Clocky
2012-02-22 08:44:19 UTC
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Post by xxx
i've warmed up more to "chinatown" but it's in my bottom 3 on the
album. the first several times i heard it, i wasn't digging it too
much.
To be honest, when I first heard the whole album I thought that it was a
solid effort but nothing outstanding but I just keep coming back to it and
it keeps growing on me.

I listen to it driving to work and it's a great driving album from start to
finish.

Big River has a great groove, Stay Frosty is fun and so Van Halen but really
every song has something that reminds me of rockin' good times and yet
there is a fresh element to almost every tune. I'm really liking Wolf on
bass, I think he has a real presence (I always thought Mike's playing was
too safe) even if Mike's unmistakeable backup vocals are notably missing.

I think the album is a remarkable achievement. I was expecting an album with
maybe a couple of decent songs and the rest filler fodder but I am very
happily surprised at what they have presented. It's a great, solid album and
even if this is the last album they ever make it is a good career closer -
especially considering that the alternative could have been VHIII... perish
the thought!
xxx
2012-02-22 09:26:52 UTC
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Post by Clocky
Post by xxx
i've warmed up more to "chinatown" but it's in my bottom 3 on the
album. the first several times i heard it, i wasn't digging it too
much.
To be honest, when I first heard the whole album I thought that it was a
solid effort but nothing outstanding but I just keep coming back to it and
it keeps growing on me.
I listen to it driving to work and it's a great driving album from start to
finish.
Big River has a great groove, Stay Frosty is fun and so Van Halen but really
every song has something that reminds me of  rockin' good times and yet
there is a fresh element to almost every tune. I'm really liking Wolf on
bass, I think he has a real presence (I always thought Mike's playing was
too safe) even if Mike's unmistakeable backup vocals are notably missing.
I think the album is a remarkable achievement. I was expecting an album with
maybe a couple of decent songs and the rest filler fodder but I am very
happily surprised at what they have presented. It's a great, solid album and
even if this is the last album they ever make it is a good career closer -
especially considering that the alternative could have been VHIII... perish
the thought!
__________________
it took me awhile to process the new album...first VH in 14 yrs and
first van roth in 28 yrs. i guess i had a hard time wrapping my head
around it all at first. it was missing something and a little off but
once i figured out that missing factor was mostly mike's harmonies and
was able to get past that, i'm really liking the album more and more.
i'm with you- it is a remarkable effort for them this late in the game
and it's nice not to have VH3 be the album they ended on.

you should take a look at my initial thoughts pt 2 thread- i go over
each song by song. i'm surprised i haven't had any replies or feedback
to that thread.
CG
2012-02-22 11:54:15 UTC
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Post by Clocky
Post by xxx
i've warmed up more to "chinatown" but it's in my bottom 3 on the
album. the first several times i heard it, i wasn't digging it too
much.
To be honest, when I first heard the whole album I thought that it was a
solid effort but nothing outstanding but I just keep coming back to it and
it keeps growing on me.
I listen to it driving to work and it's a great driving album from start to
finish.
Big River has a great groove, Stay Frosty is fun and so Van Halen but really
every song has something that reminds me of  rockin' good times and yet
there is a fresh element to almost every tune. I'm really liking Wolf on
bass, I think he has a real presence (I always thought Mike's playing was
too safe) even if Mike's unmistakeable backup vocals are notably missing.
I think the album is a remarkable achievement. I was expecting an album with
maybe a couple of decent songs and the rest filler fodder but I am very
happily surprised at what they have presented. It's a great, solid album and
even if this is the last album they ever make it is a good career closer -
especially considering that the alternative could have been VHIII... perish
the thought!
I just want to comment about Dave. Obviously, his voice has aged; but
he's also in a completely different place than he was in the 80's, and
it shows in the lyrics.

In the 80's, he was your mercurial, libertine buddy who would liven up
a party.

Today, he's Uncle Dave, full of great stories and whose previously
ribald lyrics have been displaced with Zen-like proverbs.
IGB
2012-02-22 23:04:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by CG
Post by Clocky
Post by xxx
i've warmed up more to "chinatown" but it's in my bottom 3 on the
album. the first several times i heard it, i wasn't digging it too
much.
To be honest, when I first heard the whole album I thought that it was a
solid effort but nothing outstanding but I just keep coming back to it and
it keeps growing on me.
I listen to it driving to work and it's a great driving album from start to
finish.
Big River has a great groove, Stay Frosty is fun and so Van Halen but really
every song has something that reminds me of  rockin' good times and yet
there is a fresh element to almost every tune. I'm really liking Wolf on
bass, I think he has a real presence (I always thought Mike's playing was
too safe) even if Mike's unmistakeable backup vocals are notably missing.
I think the album is a remarkable achievement. I was expecting an album with
maybe a couple of decent songs and the rest filler fodder but I am very
happily surprised at what they have presented. It's a great, solid album and
even if this is the last album they ever make it is a good career closer -
especially considering that the alternative could have been VHIII... perish
the thought!
I just want to comment about Dave. Obviously, his voice has aged; but
he's also in a completely different place than he was in the 80's, and
it shows in the lyrics.
In the 80's, he was your mercurial, libertine buddy who would liven up
a party.
Today, he's Uncle Dave, full of great stories and whose previously
ribald lyrics have been displaced with Zen-like proverbs.
That's why I say this album doesn't fit in 'perfect' with the first 6.
That doesn't mean it's not as good, just different. A different era of
classic VH.

The closest to the first 6 would be songs like You and your Blues,
Blood and Fire and Stay Frosty.

Thee other songs aren't as melodic or commercial as say So This Is
Love or Jamies Crying, and there isn't an anthem like RWTD or Panama,
but they seem to have more of an acquired taste that grows on you
without hooking you in on the first or second listen.

I also thing the album is little too compressed like a lot of albums
these days. There isn't the clarity in Dave's voice like on others.
It's harder to understand the words in some spots. That's why I never
bought the remasters. I like the old mastering with more dynamics.
CG
2012-02-22 23:12:40 UTC
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Post by IGB
Post by Clocky
Post by xxx
i've warmed up more to "chinatown" but it's in my bottom 3 on the
album. the first several times i heard it, i wasn't digging it too
much.
To be honest, when I first heard the whole album I thought that it was a
solid effort but nothing outstanding but I just keep coming back to it and
it keeps growing on me.
I listen to it driving to work and it's a great driving album from start to
finish.
Big River has a great groove, Stay Frosty is fun and so Van Halen but really
every song has something that reminds me of  rockin' good times and yet
there is a fresh element to almost every tune. I'm really liking Wolf on
bass, I think he has a real presence (I always thought Mike's playing was
too safe) even if Mike's unmistakeable backup vocals are notably missing.
I think the album is a remarkable achievement. I was expecting an album with
maybe a couple of decent songs and the rest filler fodder but I am very
happily surprised at what they have presented. It's a great, solid album and
even if this is the last album they ever make it is a good career closer -
especially considering that the alternative could have been VHIII... perish
the thought!
I just want to comment about Dave.  Obviously, his voice has aged; but
he's also in a completely different place than he was in the 80's, and
it shows in the lyrics.
In the 80's, he was your mercurial, libertine buddy who would liven up
a party.
Today, he's Uncle Dave, full of great stories and whose previously
ribald lyrics have been displaced with Zen-like proverbs.
That's why I say this album doesn't fit in 'perfect' with the first 6.
That doesn't mean it's not as good, just different. A different era of
classic VH.
The closest to the first 6 would be songs like You and your Blues,
Blood and Fire and Stay Frosty.
Thee other songs aren't as melodic or commercial as say So This Is
Love or Jamies Crying, and there isn't an anthem like RWTD or Panama,
but they seem to have more of an acquired taste that grows on you
without hooking you in on the first or second listen.
I also thing the album is little too compressed like a lot of albums
these days. There isn't the clarity in Dave's voice like on others.
It's harder to understand the words in some spots. That's why I never
bought the remasters. I like the old mastering with more dynamics.
I'd say that the album fits in with the first 6 as much as 1984 fits
in with the first 5; it's still Van Halen, but with some different
sounds.

That said, if you were to put together a Best Of Volume 3, you would
have include some songs off of ADKOT--it's that good.
xxx
2012-02-23 01:36:37 UTC
Permalink
"I'd say that the album fits in with the first 6 as much as 1984 fits
in with the first 5; it's still Van Halen, but with some different
sounds."

i'll agree that 1984 did sound a little different than the other VH
albums but at the same time, of the new songs, nothing really sounded
like it could be on 1984. i heard a LOT that sounded VH2/WACF, a
couple from VH1 and 1 or 2 from FW and DD.



"That said, if you were to put together a Best Of Volume 3, you would
have include some songs off of ADKOT--it's that good."

i agree but it's also hard to put the new stuff in proper perspective
so soon.
IGB
2012-02-23 23:35:50 UTC
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Post by CG
I'd say that the album fits in with the first 6 as much as 1984 fits
in with the first 5; it's still Van Halen, but with some different
sounds.
I'd say it's growth. Van Hagar fans say they "grew" with Sammy, but
that was change, not growth. This is the real evolution of VH...
except for Mikey... but he never did anything anyway... LOL
Post by CG
That said, if you were to put together a Best Of Volume 3, you would
have include some songs off of ADKOT--it's that good.
Oh for sure.
xxx
2012-02-23 01:31:00 UTC
Permalink
"That's why I say this album doesn't fit in 'perfect' with the first
6.
That doesn't mean it's not as good, just different. A different era
of
classic VH. The closest to the first 6 would be songs like You and
your Blues, Blood and Fire and Stay Frosty."

i disagree here- the only non-classic era sounding song, imo, is
"tattoo". tattoo sounds a lot like the 2 greatest hits songs from '96.
the rest sound extremely old school VH, mostly from the VH2 and WACF
era.



"I also thing the album is little too compressed like a lot of albums
these days. There isn't the clarity in Dave's voice like on others.
It's harder to understand the words in some spots."

i will agree with you here.
IGB
2012-02-23 23:33:16 UTC
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Post by xxx
"That's why I say this album doesn't fit in 'perfect' with the first
6.
That doesn't mean it's not as good, just different. A different era of
classic VH. The closest to the first 6 would be songs like You and
your Blues, Blood and Fire and Stay Frosty."
i disagree here- the only non-classic era sounding song, imo, is
"tattoo". tattoo sounds a lot like the 2 greatest hits songs from '96.
the rest sound extremely old school VH, mostly from the VH2 and WACF
era.
Honeybabysweetiedoll is way out there. Sounds like it was influenced
by something off of Dave's BBQ video.
The Mighty T.B.
2012-02-24 03:31:47 UTC
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Post by IGB
Post by xxx
"That's why I say this album doesn't fit in 'perfect' with the first
6.
That doesn't mean it's not as good, just different. A different era of
classic VH. The closest to the first 6 would be songs like You and
your Blues, Blood and Fire and Stay Frosty."
i disagree here- the only non-classic era sounding song, imo, is
"tattoo". tattoo sounds a lot like the 2 greatest hits songs from '96.
the rest sound extremely old school VH, mostly from the VH2 and WACF
era.
Honeybabysweetiedoll is way out there. Sounds like it was influenced
by something off of Dave's BBQ video.
The beginning of the song is taken directly from the song/music video "Flex" which was on the BBQ video. Incidently, that riff is also a direct swipe from the Lords Of Acid song "Crablouse."

T.B.
IGB
2012-02-24 06:06:19 UTC
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Post by The Mighty T.B.
Post by IGB
Post by xxx
"That's why I say this album doesn't fit in 'perfect' with the first
6.
That doesn't mean it's not as good, just different. A different era of
classic VH. The closest to the first 6 would be songs like You and
your Blues, Blood and Fire and Stay Frosty."
i disagree here- the only non-classic era sounding song, imo, is
"tattoo". tattoo sounds a lot like the 2 greatest hits songs from '96.
the rest sound extremely old school VH, mostly from the VH2 and WACF
era.
Honeybabysweetiedoll is way out there. Sounds like it was influenced
by something off of Dave's BBQ video.
The beginning of the song is taken directly from the song/music video "Flex" which was on the BBQ video. Incidently, that riff is also a direct swipe from the Lords Of Acid song "Crablouse."
T.B.
I don't know much about modern music, but I wonder if this is what
Mike Anthony meant when he said Dave was trying to get them to record
stuff like the Chemical Brothers during the failed 2000 sessions.

Just searched the song. Yup, that's it -

Lords of Acid - The Crablouse (Extended Instrumental Remix)




I think it worked. I hope they go more in this direction and expand...
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