As Is

"As Is" is the most underrated song on ADKOT. IMHO...

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Scall5

2012-05-28 00:36:31 UTC

"As Is" is the most underrated song on ADKOT. IMHO...
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Scall5

My two favorite songs on the album are Chinatown and As Is.

As Is exemplifies everything that is great about Van Halen; great
riffs, awesome solo, unpredictable melodies, fast drumming, great
harmonies. It's not just one of the best songs on the album; it's one
of the best VH songs ever. Like Chinatown, it could have been on any
one of the first 6 albums.

IGB

2012-05-28 04:41:03 UTC

Post by Scall5
"As Is" is the most underrated song on ADKOT. IMHO...

I think Hagar would have ruined that riff. It would have ended up like
Big Fat Money or something that sucked.

xxx

2012-05-28 10:22:55 UTC

"As Is" is the most underrated song on ADKOT. IMHO...

I think Hagar would have ruined that riff. It would have ended up like
Big Fat Money or something that sucked.

i liked big fat money. wish ed would play more rock piano and less
cheezy synths. one nice thing about the new album- no ballads or
keyboards. anyway, i thought balance was a little under-rated. i
really liked FUCK. thought 5150 was over-rated and ou812 wasn't too
hot.

Clocky

2012-05-28 12:20:20 UTC

"As Is" is the most underrated song on ADKOT. IMHO...

I think Hagar would have ruined that riff. It would have ended up
like Big Fat Money or something that sucked.

I would go so far as to say OU812 was shit. I didn't mind 5150 at all some
cool songs on that for the era though the electronic drums sounded pretty
bad.

Balance and FUCK has some good moments musically but the lyrics ranged from
average at best to downright woeful as usual with anything written by Hagar.

IGB

2012-05-28 18:38:42 UTC

"As Is" is the most underrated song on ADKOT. IMHO...

I think Hagar would have ruined that riff. It would have ended up
like Big Fat Money or something that sucked.

I would go so far as to say OU812 was shit. I didn't mind 5150 at all some
cool songs on that for the era though the electronic drums sounded pretty
bad.
Balance and FUCK has some good moments musically but the lyrics ranged from
average at best to downright woeful as usual with anything written by Hagar.

I still remember hearing When It's Love on the radio for the first
time. I couldn't believe how soft they had gone. This was Van Halen? I
thought for sure the album would bomb, but then it went to number 1.
Stupid fanbase...

That's why I laugh when I people say, "...but VH was always a pop
band, look at Dancing in the Streets."

DITS is Metal compared to some of the soft pop Van Hagar came up with.
No comparison.

xxx

2012-05-29 07:48:17 UTC

"As Is" is the most underrated song on ADKOT. IMHO...

I think Hagar would have ruined that riff. It would have ended up
like Big Fat Money or something that sucked.

I would go so far as to say OU812 was shit. I didn't mind 5150 at all some
cool songs on that for the era though the electronic drums sounded pretty
bad.
Balance and FUCK has some good moments musically but the lyrics ranged from
average at best to downright woeful as usual with anything written by Hagar.

I still remember hearing When It's Love on the radio for the first
time. I couldn't believe how soft they had gone. This was Van Halen? I
thought for sure the album would bomb, but then it went to number 1.
Stupid fanbase...
That's why I laugh when I people say, "...but VH was always a pop
band, look at Dancing in the Streets."
DITS is Metal compared to some of the soft pop Van Hagar came up with.
No comparison.

DITS might be my least fave dave era VH song. i fucking cringe every
time i hear it. i can't change the station fast enough. they usually
do great with covers but they should never have touched that song.

Clocky

2012-05-29 11:26:44 UTC

"As Is" is the most underrated song on ADKOT. IMHO...

I think Hagar would have ruined that riff. It would have ended up
like Big Fat Money or something that sucked.

I would go so far as to say OU812 was shit. I didn't mind 5150 at
all some cool songs on that for the era though the electronic drums
sounded pretty bad.
Balance and FUCK has some good moments musically but the lyrics
ranged from average at best to downright woeful as usual with
anything written by Hagar.

I still remember hearing When It's Love on the radio for the first
time. I couldn't believe how soft they had gone. This was Van Halen?
I thought for sure the album would bomb, but then it went to number
1. Stupid fanbase...
That's why I laugh when I people say, "...but VH was always a pop
band, look at Dancing in the Streets."
DITS is Metal compared to some of the soft pop Van Hagar came up
with. No comparison.

Agreed. That song is gay and the VH cover of if makes me cringe and
embarrassed to be a fan. It's as bad as Dire Straits' Twisting by the pool..

IGB

2012-05-29 19:34:56 UTC

Post by IGB
That's why I laugh when I people say, "...but VH was always a pop
band, look at Dancing in the Streets."
DITS is Metal compared to some of the soft pop Van Hagar came up
with. No comparison.

Agreed. That song is gay and the VH cover of if makes me cringe and
embarrassed to be a fan. It's as bad as Dire Straits' Twisting by the pool..

How do I know when it's love?
I can't tell you but it lasts forever
Oh! How does it feel when it's love?
It's just somethin' you feel together
When it's love

(Oh oh oh oh) Oh, when it's love
(Oh oh oh oh) You can feel it, yeah!
(Oh oh oh oh) Nothin's missin', yeah!

How do I know when it's love?
I can't tell you but it lasts forever
Ooh, how does it feel when it' love?
It's just something you feel together, hey!

(Na na na-ah na na)
When it's love
(Na na na-ah na na)
(Na na na-ah na na)
(Na na na-ah na na)
You and I, we're gonna feel this thing together
(Na na na-ah na na) (repeat to end)
When it's love, ooh
When it's love, baby
You can feel it, yeah!
We'll make it last forever
Ooh-ooh, when it's love

--------

Vs.

'nuff said.

"DITS is Metal compared to some of the soft pop Van Hagar came up
with. No comparison."

Perspective guys...

Clocky

2012-05-30 08:04:45 UTC

Agreed. That song is gay and the VH cover of if makes me cringe and
embarrassed to be a fan. It's as bad as Dire Straits' Twisting by the pool..

How do I know when it's love?
I can't tell you but it lasts forever
Oh! How does it feel when it's love?
It's just somethin' you feel together
When it's love
(Oh oh oh oh) Oh, when it's love
(Oh oh oh oh) You can feel it, yeah!
(Oh oh oh oh) Nothin's missin', yeah!
How do I know when it's love?
I can't tell you but it lasts forever
Ooh, how does it feel when it' love?
It's just something you feel together, hey!
(Na na na-ah na na)
When it's love
(Na na na-ah na na)
(Na na na-ah na na)
(Na na na-ah na na)
You and I, we're gonna feel this thing together
(Na na na-ah na na) (repeat to end)
When it's love, ooh
When it's love, baby
You can feel it, yeah!
We'll make it last forever
Ooh-ooh, when it's love
--------
Vs.
http://youtu.be/p3fuLvL_uaI
'nuff said.

Both are crap, sorry to say, but "When It's love" is an uplifting tune even
if the lyrics, if taken out of context of the whole, are truly awful.

IGB

2012-05-31 01:40:42 UTC

Agreed. That song is gay and the VH cover of if makes me cringe and
embarrassed to be a fan. It's as bad as Dire Straits' Twisting by the pool..

How do I know when it's love?
I can't tell you but it lasts forever
Oh! How does it feel when it's love?
It's just somethin' you feel together
When it's love
(Oh oh oh oh) Oh, when it's love
(Oh oh oh oh) You can feel it, yeah!
(Oh oh oh oh) Nothin's missin', yeah!
How do I know when it's love?
I can't tell you but it lasts forever
Ooh, how does it feel when it' love?
It's just something you feel together, hey!
(Na na na-ah na na)
When it's love
(Na na na-ah na na)
(Na na na-ah na na)
(Na na na-ah na na)
You and I, we're gonna feel this thing together
(Na na na-ah na na) (repeat to end)
When it's love, ooh
When it's love, baby
You can feel it, yeah!
We'll make it last forever
Ooh-ooh, when it's love
--------
Vs.
http://youtu.be/p3fuLvL_uaI
'nuff said.

Both are crap, sorry to say, but "When It's love" is an uplifting tune even
if the lyrics, if taken out of context of the whole, are truly awful.

Again... I never said anything about "uplifting" or "crap". All *I*
ever said was DITS is "Metal" compared to WIL.

And all I can say about *your* comment is... wow.

To me, WIL is the ultimate anti-VH song. Something you'd never hear
from classic VH. WIL is the perfect example of Hagar ruining VH.

Classic VH never went near this level of "uplifting" or "Air
Supply-type" crap. Not what I want to hear from a heavy guitar
orientated band.

We disagree, there's nothing to be sorry about.

Clocky

2012-05-31 02:13:25 UTC

DITS might be my least fave dave era VH song. i fucking cringe
every time i hear it. i can't change the station fast enough.
they usually do great with covers but they should never have
touched that song.

Agreed. That song is gay and the VH cover of if makes me cringe and
embarrassed to be a fan. It's as bad as Dire Straits' Twisting by the pool..

How do I know when it's love?
I can't tell you but it lasts forever
Oh! How does it feel when it's love?
It's just somethin' you feel together
When it's love
(Oh oh oh oh) Oh, when it's love
(Oh oh oh oh) You can feel it, yeah!
(Oh oh oh oh) Nothin's missin', yeah!
How do I know when it's love?
I can't tell you but it lasts forever
Ooh, how does it feel when it' love?
It's just something you feel together, hey!
(Na na na-ah na na)
When it's love
(Na na na-ah na na)
(Na na na-ah na na)
(Na na na-ah na na)
You and I, we're gonna feel this thing together
(Na na na-ah na na) (repeat to end)
When it's love, ooh
When it's love, baby
You can feel it, yeah!
We'll make it last forever
Ooh-ooh, when it's love
--------
Vs.
http://youtu.be/p3fuLvL_uaI
'nuff said.

Both are crap, sorry to say, but "When It's love" is an uplifting
tune even if the lyrics, if taken out of context of the whole, are
truly awful.

Again... I never said anything about "uplifting" or "crap". All *I*
ever said was DITS is "Metal" compared to WIL.

Had you said hard rock I might agree with you but it's certainly not metal,
especially not with those aweful lyrics.

Post by IGB
And all I can say about *your* comment is... wow.
To me, WIL is the ultimate anti-VH song. Something you'd never hear
from classic VH. WIL is the perfect example of Hagar ruining VH.

Comparing classic VH to Van Hagar is like comparing apples to oranges IMO,
not very meaningful.

Post by IGB
Classic VH never went near this level of "uplifting" or "Air
Supply-type" crap. Not what I want to hear from a heavy guitar
orientated band.

Nobody forced you to like it. Lots of people did. I thought some of it was
good, but a lot more of it was bad. Musically it had some good moments even
if Hagar did his best to ruin it with cheese.

Post by IGB
We disagree, there's nothing to be sorry about.

Clearly you are more a classic VH purist and that is fine, I did like some
of the stuff they did with Hagar, musically. My tastes in music is quite
varied, so I'm quite open minded about what direction musicians take with
their music.

Having said that, I also much prefer the classic and current incarnations of
VH to any other.

But whatever, the new album rocks and that is something we both can agree
on, I think ;-)

IGB

2012-05-31 07:13:33 UTC

Post by Clocky
Clearly you are more a classic VH purist and that is fine, I did like some
of the stuff they did with Hagar, musically. My tastes in music is quite
varied, so I'm quite open minded about what direction musicians take with
their music.

Hey, I have a wide taste in music too. I just don't wan't a band like
VH to waste itself on songs like When It's Love or Can't Stop Loving
You.

I wouldn't have wanted Hendrix to take that route either.

Leave that stuff to Steve Perry... LOL

IGB

2012-05-28 18:25:01 UTC

"As Is" is the most underrated song on ADKOT. IMHO...

I think Hagar would have ruined that riff. It would have ended up like
Big Fat Money or something that sucked.

I think BFM is one of the most annoying songs I've ever heard. Hagar
basically screams and tries to be a "rocker". He's more fit for power
ballads and simple power chord type songs like ICD55 or 1WTR.

I think Dave is much better at singing over Ed's riffs. That's the
main difference between the eras. Even Hagar says Ed doesn't have
songs, he has a bunch of riffs and Satch has songs. Dave was much
better crafting those those riffs into solid songs than Hagar.

Robin K. Banks

2012-05-28 22:59:07 UTC

"As Is" is the most underrated song on ADKOT. IMHO...

I think Hagar would have ruined that riff. It would have ended up like
Big Fat Money or something that sucked.

i liked big fat money. wish ed would play more rock piano and less
cheezy synths. one nice thing about the new album- no ballads or
keyboards. anyway, i thought balance was a little under-rated. i really
liked FUCK. thought 5150 was over-rated and ou812 wasn't too hot.

I think BFM is one of the most annoying songs I've ever heard. Hagar
basically screams and tries to be a "rocker". He's more fit for power
ballads and simple power chord type songs like ICD55 or 1WTR.
I think Dave is much better at singing over Ed's riffs. That's the main
difference between the eras. Even Hagar says Ed doesn't have songs, he
has a bunch of riffs and Satch has songs. Dave was much better crafting
those those riffs into solid songs than Hagar.

Huh? The thing you notice most about this track is that it is played from
end to end with no punches...

IGB

2012-05-29 19:15:18 UTC

On Mon, 28 May 2012 22:59:07 +0000 (UTC), "Robin K. Banks"

Post by Robin K. Banks

"As Is" is the most underrated song on ADKOT. IMHO...

I think Hagar would have ruined that riff. It would have ended up like
Big Fat Money or something that sucked.

i liked big fat money. wish ed would play more rock piano and less
cheezy synths. one nice thing about the new album- no ballads or
keyboards. anyway, i thought balance was a little under-rated. i really
liked FUCK. thought 5150 was over-rated and ou812 wasn't too hot.

I think BFM is one of the most annoying songs I've ever heard. Hagar
basically screams and tries to be a "rocker". He's more fit for power
ballads and simple power chord type songs like ICD55 or 1WTR.
I think Dave is much better at singing over Ed's riffs. That's the main
difference between the eras. Even Hagar says Ed doesn't have songs, he
has a bunch of riffs and Satch has songs. Dave was much better crafting
those those riffs into solid songs than Hagar.

Huh? The thing you notice most about this track is that it is played from
end to end with no punches...
http://youtu.be/3K0LAE-Fel8

I'm talking generally speaking and from Hagar's perspective. Dave is a
much better fit for Ed's riffs than Sammy's screeches and cheese. Ed
is way above Sam's capabilities, hence him saying Ed "doesn't write
songs."

Clocky

2012-05-28 23:57:24 UTC

"As Is" is the most underrated song on ADKOT. IMHO...

I think Hagar would have ruined that riff. It would have ended up
like Big Fat Money or something that sucked.

I think BFM is one of the most annoying songs I've ever heard. Hagar
basically screams and tries to be a "rocker". He's more fit for power
ballads and simple power chord type songs like ICD55 or 1WTR.
I think Dave is much better at singing over Ed's riffs. That's the
main difference between the eras. Even Hagar says Ed doesn't have
songs, he has a bunch of riffs and Satch has songs.

Hagar is full of crap, and it's clear that Ed plays whole songs just listen
to the guitar tracks in isolation.

Dave was much

Post by IGB
better crafting those those riffs into solid songs than Hagar.

Ed had to noodle around Hagar's cheese and schmaltz more like it.

GoBucky

2012-05-29 13:09:15 UTC

"As Is" is the most underrated song on ADKOT. IMHO...
--
Scall5

As is kicks ass...best song on the album!

s***@hotmail.com

2012-06-02 09:57:41 UTC

I still remember hearing When It's Love on the radio for the first
time. I couldn't believe how soft they had gone. This was Van Halen?
I
thought for sure the album would bomb, but then it went to number 1.
Stupid fanbase...

To me, WIL is the ultimate anti-VH song. Something you'd never hear
from classic VH. WIL is the perfect example of Hagar ruining VH.

I just don't wan't a band like VH to waste itself on songs like When
It's Love or Can't Stop Loving
You.

I agree that when it's love is an extremely soft song and a surprise
from a band that used to be as hard as van halen. it's so soft it
makes milli vanili sound like motorhead. when they released it i
couldn't believe they had. nor could i believe it went so high in the
US singles chart - no.5 i think.
but if you don't like these songs, who do you think wrote it? who
actually wrote the songs you haters hate soo, sooo much? it was of
course - eddie van halen, the living legend lucky enough to be backing
guitarist for the mighty talent that is david lee roth.
eddie was the one who wrote the songs you guys think are so lame -
eddie! as he so proudly claimed back in the days when he actually had
the self confidence to be interviewed by all mammer of music
magazines. it was eddie who wrote it NOT hagar. hagar was just the
poor mug who was so in awe of eddie's talent that he never dared to
say 'eddie, that guitar solo really sucks!n i could do better!' hagar
is the guy who takes the blame for the often terrible choices made by
eddie. he was the one who wrote and recorded dreams, love walks in,
when it's love, and feels so good ( all of them hit singles for the
band- meaning all of them made the US top 40 - something no single of
the latest album has done or ever will do! ) . hagar gets the blame
but it's eddie who FAILED to deliver the necessary standard ogf guitar
work. it's alex who FAILED to deliver the necessary standard of
drumming. it's mike who FAILED to deliver the necessary basslines.
hagar is just the guy who gets the blame. Jeez, at least the poor
fucker doesn't get the blame for VH3. at least he doesn't get the
blame for roth's lame, flopping solo albums.
hagar gets the blame for other people's inadequacies.

IGB

2012-06-03 06:05:34 UTC

Post by IGB
I still remember hearing When It's Love on the radio for the first
time. I couldn't believe how soft they had gone. This was Van Halen?
I
thought for sure the album would bomb, but then it went to number 1.
Stupid fanbase...
To me, WIL is the ultimate anti-VH song. Something you'd never hear
from classic VH. WIL is the perfect example of Hagar ruining VH.
I just don't wan't a band like VH to waste itself on songs like When
It's Love or Can't Stop Loving
You.
I agree that when it's love is an extremely soft song and a surprise
from a band that used to be as hard as van halen. it's so soft it
makes milli vanili sound like motorhead. when they released it i
couldn't believe they had. nor could i believe it went so high in the
US singles chart - no.5 i think.
but if you don't like these songs, who do you think wrote it? who
actually wrote the songs you haters hate soo, sooo much? it was of
course - eddie van halen, the living legend lucky enough to be backing
guitarist for the mighty talent that is david lee roth.
eddie was the one who wrote the songs you guys think are so lame -
eddie! as he so proudly claimed back in the days when he actually had
the self confidence to be interviewed by all mammer of music
magazines. it was eddie who wrote it NOT hagar. hagar was just the
poor mug who was so in awe of eddie's talent that he never dared to
say 'eddie, that guitar solo really sucks!n i could do better!' hagar
is the guy who takes the blame for the often terrible choices made by
eddie. he was the one who wrote and recorded dreams, love walks in,
when it's love, and feels so good ( all of them hit singles for the
band- meaning all of them made the US top 40 - something no single of
the latest album has done or ever will do! ) . hagar gets the blame
but it's eddie who FAILED to deliver the necessary standard ogf guitar
work. it's alex who FAILED to deliver the necessary standard of
drumming. it's mike who FAILED to deliver the necessary basslines.
hagar is just the guy who gets the blame. Jeez, at least the poor
fucker doesn't get the blame for VH3. at least he doesn't get the
blame for roth's lame, flopping solo albums.
hagar gets the blame for other people's inadequacies.

I'm sure Ed played a lot of shit for Dave that he never liked. It was
mostly ultimately Dave or Sam who chose what songs to write for from
what I've read.

Look at ADKOT - 'nuff said.

It truly matters who is writing and singing the vocal melodies and
lyrics. It's not coincidental.

Hagar shares the blame as much as Ed.

unknown

2012-05-30 19:15:39 UTC

Post by Scall5
"As Is" is the most underrated song on ADKOT. IMHO...

IMO it's "Outta Space" which finished right behind "As Is" in this
poll:

http://www.vhnd.com/2012/03/20/a-different-kind-of-truth-poll/

db
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xxx

2012-05-30 20:58:14 UTC

it'd be hard to pick a favorite because i really like so many on the
album but "you and your blues" really jumped out at me right away. i
think that's probably their best on this one. as is and outta space
and stay frosty are real close, for me. a little surprised a few in
here like "chinatown" so much. that one (and she's the woman) is one
of my lesser songs off the new one. bullethead is easily the weakest,
imo.

2012-05-30 21:16:18 UTC

Post by xxx
it'd be hard to pick a favorite because i really like so many on the
album but "you and your blues" really jumped out at me right away. i
think that's probably their best on this one. as is and outta space
and stay frosty are real close, for me. a little surprised a few in
here like "chinatown" so much. that one (and she's the woman) is one
of my lesser songs off the new one. bullethead is easily the weakest,
imo.

Chinatown is AMAZING, one of the best VH tunes ever released. The
tapping intro is fierce (I originally thought it was Ed playing with
some harmonizer, but it's actually him and Wolfie playing in sync!),
and the opening riff drives into your brain like a freight train; if
there was ever a perfect musical visual to the album cover, this riff
would be it. It's also some of Alex Van Halen's best drumming.

You and Your Blues contains my favorite lyric on the album: "You're
bad news permanent, communication breakdown; like watching someone
reinvent, your nineteenth nervous breakdown."

Clocky

2012-05-31 00:59:12 UTC

Agreed. Listening to that song makes you forget that these are 50-odd year
old veterans performing, it's furious, intense and played with a youthful
vigour.

Post by CG
You and Your Blues contains my favorite lyric on the album: "You're
bad news permanent, communication breakdown; like watching someone
reinvent, your nineteenth nervous breakdown."

Lyrically the album is much stronger than anything Hagar has written, but
that is what we expected. Hagar might have better pipes, but he sucks as a
lyricist.

IGB

2012-05-31 01:53:47 UTC

Agreed. Listening to that song makes you forget that these are 50-odd year
old veterans performing, it's furious, intense and played with a youthful
vigour.

Post by CG
You and Your Blues contains my favorite lyric on the album: "You're
bad news permanent, communication breakdown; like watching someone
reinvent, your nineteenth nervous breakdown."

Lyrically the album is much stronger than anything Hagar has written, but
that is what we expected. Hagar might have better pipes, but he sucks as a
lyricist.

I would go much further than that. Hagar can sing higher, but I don't
know that makes him better. It goes much more than him sucking as a
lyricist. He has, what I termed before, a "vanilla screech". He sings
mainly in the same register and has no personality or trademark in his
singing. He is a bore and there is nothing about him that stands out.

His vocal melodies are weak as well. He ruined songs like Amsterdam
and would have ruined many classic VH songs had he had the chance.

Clocky

2012-05-31 02:21:18 UTC

Post by xxx
it'd be hard to pick a favorite because i really like so many on
the album but "you and your blues" really jumped out at me right
away. i think that's probably their best on this one. as is and
outta space and stay frosty are real close, for me. a little
surprised a few in here like "chinatown" so much. that one (and
she's the woman) is one of my lesser songs off the new one.
bullethead is easily the weakest, imo.

Agreed. Listening to that song makes you forget that these are
50-odd year old veterans performing, it's furious, intense and
played with a youthful vigour.

Post by CG
You and Your Blues contains my favorite lyric on the album: "You're
bad news permanent, communication breakdown; like watching someone
reinvent, your nineteenth nervous breakdown."

Lyrically the album is much stronger than anything Hagar has
written, but that is what we expected. Hagar might have better
pipes, but he sucks as a lyricist.

I agree with that.

Post by IGB
His vocal melodies are weak as well. He ruined songs like Amsterdam
and would have ruined many classic VH songs had he had the chance.

Likely, but I don't remember Hagar struggling with holding a note or singing
in key live whereas Dave is really struggling to do both currently.
Even in his heyday, Dave never was much of a singer live.

Luckily Dave can compensate in other ways on stage for his shortcomings in
singing live and I would rather watch Dave sing bad than Hagar singing his
schmaltz, but better.

2012-05-31 09:42:36 UTC

Agreed. Listening to that song makes you forget that these are 50-odd year
old veterans performing, it's furious, intense and played with a youthful
vigour.

You and Your Blues contains my favorite lyric on the album: "You're
bad news permanent, communication breakdown; like watching someone
reinvent, your nineteenth nervous breakdown."

Lyrically the album is much stronger than anything Hagar has written, but
that is what we expected. Hagar might have better pipes, but he sucks as a
lyricist.

I would go much further than that. Hagar can sing higher, but I don't
know that makes him better. It goes much more than him sucking as a
lyricist. He has, what I termed before, a "vanilla screech". He sings
mainly in the same register and has no personality or trademark in his
singing. He is a bore and there is nothing about him that stands out.
His vocal melodies are weak as well. He ruined songs like Amsterdam
and would have ruined many classic VH songs had he had the chance.

I actually think Hagar's 60+ year old voice is better than his younger
voice. His voice today is more grittier and not as screechy. But his
melodies are still bland and his lyrics are still laughable.

s***@hotmail.com

2012-05-31 12:44:04 UTC

When It's Love really is the ultimate anti-Van halen song. it's sooo
soft it makes Milli Vanilli sound like Motorhead. And who wrote
it?.....who wrote it?......No!! not Sammy Hagar, not sammy though he
seems to get most of the blame - it was proudly written by eddie van
halen!! that's who wrote it - the great hard-rocking eddie van halen.

honestly, hagar was never more than a yes man, so in awe of the talent
of eddie van halen he never dared say NO! he never dared tell eddie
his guitar playing wasn't a patch on what it used to be. he just went
along with it. Sammy was just the guy who took the blame for eddie's
inability - that's all. a fall guy to take the blame for the rest of
the band not doing a good enough job. anyone who doesn't like dreams,
when it's love, love walks in or any other keyboard based track, put
the blame where it belongs - eddie van halen, not his poodle/lapdog/
yes man.

xxx

2012-05-31 20:56:19 UTC

random thoughts:
i like the music for chinatown but lyrically, it lacks some good
hooks.
i like amsterdam.

like sting, phil collins and lionel richie, dave thought he was bigger
than the band and wanted to strike out on his own. pretty common for
lead singers to do that back in the 80's (ruin a perfectly good band,
do 1 good solo album and then pretty much tank, musically, after
that).

but the rest of the band was left holding the bag. i thought they did
about as well as they could do to keep the band rolling with hagar.
you might not have liked it but all things considered, they still did
pretty well. what were they going to do, do that all-star album
bullshit with phil collins, pete townshend, etc? i think that would've
been a much worse idea and a one-off, at best. shit, they almost ended
up with that chick from scandal. if you think that would be better
than hagar, you're more fucked in the head than i thought. at least
hagar had a top notch album with montrose.

IGB

2012-05-31 23:08:27 UTC

Post by xxx
but the rest of the band was left holding the bag. i thought they did
about as well as they could do to keep the band rolling with hagar.
you might not have liked it but all things considered, they still did
pretty well. what were they going to do, do that all-star album
bullshit with phil collins, pete townshend, etc? i think that would've
been a much worse idea and a one-off, at best. shit, they almost ended
up with that chick from scandal. if you think that would be better
than hagar, you're more fucked in the head than i thought.

Uh... VH had a lot more options than just Hagar, Patty Smyth and an
"all star" band.

They could have held auditions. They could have gone a lot of ways.
They went the safe route and made safe music with a safe singer who
was already known and kept the same popular band name.

If you like safe and unadventurous radio rock, than Van Hagar was the
band for you and of course it was successful.

Dave went the opposite. Vai, Bissonette and Sheehan were pretty much
unknown to the public. Perhaps he could have gotten a mainstream
guitarist and better known talent, but instead put together a kick-ass
band, albeit lasting only two albums.

Post by xxx
at least
hagar had a top notch album with montrose.

Funny ass shit right there...

Clocky

2012-06-01 00:53:51 UTC

Post by xxx
but the rest of the band was left holding the bag. i thought they did
about as well as they could do to keep the band rolling with hagar.
you might not have liked it but all things considered, they still did
pretty well. what were they going to do, do that all-star album
bullshit with phil collins, pete townshend, etc? i think that
would've been a much worse idea and a one-off, at best. shit, they
almost ended up with that chick from scandal. if you think that
would be better than hagar, you're more fucked in the head than i
thought.

Uh... VH had a lot more options than just Hagar, Patty Smyth and an
"all star" band.
They could have held auditions. They could have gone a lot of ways.
They went the safe route and made safe music with a safe singer who
was already known and kept the same popular band name.
If you like safe and unadventurous radio rock, than Van Hagar was the
band for you and of course it was successful.
Dave went the opposite. Vai, Bissonette and Sheehan were pretty much
unknown to the public. Perhaps he could have gotten a mainstream
guitarist and better known talent, but instead put together a kick-ass
band, albeit lasting only two albums.

Two hohum Roth albums despite an all-star cast is what you meant to say...

2012-06-01 01:12:41 UTC

Post by Clocky
Two hohum Roth albums despite an all-star cast is what you meant to say...

Crazy From The Heat was cheesy but enjoyable;
Eat 'Em and Smile is a classic;
Skyscraper stinks;
and every other solo album was just okay.

Van Hagar was a pop band, plain and simple. They wrote songs for
teenagers, and it worked.

xxx

2012-06-01 14:15:04 UTC

"They could have held auditions. They could have gone a lot of ways."

oh, like that wouldn't have been a fucking disaster.
you call eat em and smile a classic and scoff at the first montrose
album? i really like EEaS but if you want to dismiss montrose's debut,
your loss.

"and it worked."
yes, it did.

IGB

2012-06-01 19:27:17 UTC

Post by xxx
"They could have held auditions. They could have gone a lot of ways."
oh, like that wouldn't have been a fucking disaster.
you call eat em and smile a classic and scoff at the first montrose
album? i really like EEaS but if you want to dismiss montrose's debut,
your loss.
"and it worked."
yes, it did.

I don't get the fuss over the first Montrose. To me it sounds like
early Motley Crue with Hagar singing. Not my cup of tea.

Billions of people in the world and the best thay can do is Sammy
Hagar? Please... I'll take VH3 over that Van Hagar goop.

David Lee Roth: Then you've got Sammy Hagar, who at best is a mediocre
talent.

Howard Stern: I agree with that. I'll rate him lower than mediocre.

DLR: Sammy would sell the property rights to his butthole to get fame.
HS: Right.

DLR: Because he was a complete failure till he got with the Van Halen
bunch.

HS: True. I hate Sammy Hagar, period. Why are you talking about this
now?

DLR: I've always backed off and said "Hey, we had our differences" but
they keep slammin' me and slammin' me.

HS: They are still slamming the good name of David Lee Roth.

DLR: Yeah, you know, Sammy is my boy. He works for me.

HS: That's right.

DLR: He's my bitch, and when he says my name we just sell that many
more records.

HS: Well, let's face it. When you were with Van Halen that was THE
group. That was a great group.

David Lee Roth: Yeah, you know, Sammy is my boy. He works for me.

xxx

2012-06-02 07:13:30 UTC

"I don't get the fuss over the first Montrose. To me it sounds like
early Motley Crue with Hagar singing. Not my cup of tea."

i'm not going to go all rushgedlife and post a bunch of quotes but
people did dig that album and find it influential, apparently. i just
thought it was a great album, top to bottom.

as far as howard stern, isn't he doing some talent judging thing now??
like britney spears, paula abdul and steven tyler. good lord. stern
loves his fellow jews, so it's no surprise he likes dave. but i also
recall him slamming dave for his short-lived radio gig. but i digress.
i don't take howard stern seriously in regards to anything. that guy
is so played out, it isn't even funny. he's a one trick pony and i
can't believe he's lasted this long.

but yeah, VH's strongest stuff was with dave. i've never questioned
that.

IGB

2012-06-03 06:11:30 UTC

Post by xxx
"I don't get the fuss over the first Montrose. To me it sounds like
early Motley Crue with Hagar singing. Not my cup of tea."
i'm not going to go all rushgedlife and post a bunch of quotes but
people did dig that album and find it influential, apparently. i just
thought it was a great album, top to bottom.
as far as howard stern, isn't he doing some talent judging thing now??
like britney spears, paula abdul and steven tyler. good lord. stern
loves his fellow jews, so it's no surprise he likes dave. but i also
recall him slamming dave for his short-lived radio gig. but i digress.
i don't take howard stern seriously in regards to anything. that guy
is so played out, it isn't even funny. he's a one trick pony and i
can't believe he's lasted this long.
but yeah, VH's strongest stuff was with dave. i've never questioned
that.

I agree. Howard Stern is basically a broken record at this point. I
just put that up there for shits and giggles.

He actually sucks up to Sammy now. Actually praising Hagar's book as a
great read, when it's mostly just an account of Ed and Al's drinking
problems and Sammy bragging about how great he is...

Stern sucks up to anyone that comes into his studio these days, and if
they don't, then he attacks them.

s***@hotmail.com

2012-06-02 10:04:46 UTC

Post by xxx
"They could have held auditions. They could have gone a lot of ways."

they couldn't have held auditions cuz they didn't have a fucking
clue....band lacked NOUS to know what was good and what wasn't.
one of the funniest, and most awful things i ever heard was that after
the MTV Dave fiasco Alex -get that Alex!!! was putting singers through
their paces to see if they're any good. a talentless, unrythmnical
lump of shit judging other people's musical talent? how pointless! and
what did they end up with? gary cherone and eddie's masterpiece VH3.
solid proof that musical know how does not reside within the vh
brothers.

IGB

2012-06-01 19:15:15 UTC

Post by Clocky
Two hohum Roth albums despite an all-star cast is what you meant to say...

Crazy From The Heat was cheesy but enjoyable;
Eat 'Em and Smile is a classic;
Skyscraper stinks;
and every other solo album was just okay.
Van Hagar was a pop band, plain and simple. They wrote songs for
teenagers, and it worked.

They also wrote songs for Valerie...

s***@hotmail.com

2012-06-02 09:36:52 UTC

"As Is" is the most underrated song on ADKOT. IMHO.

i'd say something about this song except for the fact that i can't for
the life of me remember anything at all about it!!! Not a note, not a
lyric! utterly forgetable

Clocky

2012-06-02 21:34:57 UTC